Received my stuff

Received my stuff, unfortunately the farm did not have any more chicken hearts.

I'll probably end up buying chicken gizzard at the supermarket, it's cheap and it's almost all protein. I have all the fat I need from ground beef, pork leaf fat and raw egg yolks. The rest is extra.

Since common man-made toxins are usually stored in fats, non-organic organs such as chicken gizzard should be without these toxins I avoid. I would never eat non-organic liver.

List of useful links: page in constant building

My blog
http://thundermax.blogspot.com

WannaBeBig
http://www.wannabebig.com
Best bodybuilding forum, great website

Active No-Carber Forums
http://activenocarber.myfreeforum.org
Great forums, include reference to old "Bear" posts

Ross Boxing
http://www.rossboxing.com/
Great site about boxing and training, great forum

USDA
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
The USDA nutrient database

FITDAY
http://www.fitday.com
Enter your daily food intake, see how much nutrients etc. you get.

this page is in constant construction

Random stuff about ketones and keto-adaptation

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=524027

"Impaired physical performance is a common but not obligate result of a low carbohydrate diet. Lessons from traditional Inuit culture indicate that time for adaptation, optimized sodium and potassium nutriture, and constraint of protein to 15–25 % of daily energy expenditure allow unimpaired endurance performance despite nutritional ketosis."



From wikipedia:

At the NIH, Dr. Richard Veech refers to ketones as "magic" in their ability to increase metobolic efficiency, while decreasing production of free radicals, the damaging byproducts of normal metabolism. His work has shown that ketone bodies may treat neurological diseases such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease (source), and the heart and brain operate 25% more efficiently using ketones as a source of energy (source).

1st source: http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NR/rdonlyres/084D048E-F200-425A-9D46-BE3979458F02/0/KashiwProcNatlAcadSci2000_5440.pdf
2nd source: http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/269/41/25502

Interesting old post from Neanderthin author, Ray Audette

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:21:11 -0700
Sender: Paleolithic Eating Support List
From: Ray Audette <rso456@AIRMAIL.NET>
Subject: Dr Voegtlin's "Stone Age Diet"

Dr. Walter L. Voegtlin was a gastrointerologist who's book "The Stone Age Diet" was self-published in 1975. It was based on the treatment he used for decades to treat colitis, Krones Disease, Irritated Bowel Syndrome, and indigestion. It can still be obtained through inter-library loan (OK State U has a copy).

The diet described is very similar to "NeanderThin" except that he allows some dairy products (those that contain no sweet milk) and forbids most fruits and vegetables. The few fruits and vegetables he does allow must be cooked and separated from their juices. For people who are "only" obese he does allow a few raw fruits and vegetables.

Dr. Voegtlin justifies this more carnivores approach by point out that in almost part of the world, vegatable consumption is very seasonal. Without the recent invention of canning, they are practically imposible to obtain during winter or the dry seasons that occur everywhere. He references all known hunter-gatherers to make this point.

As does my book, he also states that the human digestive system most closly resembles that of a dog. He does this in three chapters and concludes with charts that compare man to dogs and herbavores. These charts compare; teeth, jaws, stomach, colon, cecum, gallbladder, digestive activity, feeding habits, ratio of body lenth to total digestive tract and small intestine, and survival after removal stomach, colon and cecum, microorganisms, plant food and animal proteins.

His book discourages the use of laxatives or high fiber suplements claiming they only irritate and strain the system. He also covers the history of vitamins claiming that they weren't considered important to the average person until farmers discovered that they could be used to sell fresh vegetables at exhorbitant prices to gullible yankees during winter.

Bulking for real

I'm waiting for an order from a local farm.

When I'll have everything I need, I'll be ready to gorge on animal products.

I have no idea how much calories I'm really going to consume and how much I consume now.

At first, I might try to eat about 5000 calories.

About 80% of calories from fat, 20% from protein. That meas 250 grams of protein and 444g of fat, that might be too high. We'll see.


I might include a few vegetal elements, such as coconut oil or specific plant extracts and herbal teas. I strongly believe in the benefits of coconut oil and its MCT (medium chain triglycerides) which might be the perfect pre-workout fat, and the lauric acid (one of the MCTs actually) which is antiviral, antimicrobial and which might boost the immune system.

The only "supplement" that will be a real staple is cod liver oil, to balance essential fatty acids (further strictly refered as EFA) and to bring the much-needed vitamin A and vitamin D (especially since it's getting colder now and my sun exposure is low).

So I plan to start eating a lot on this saturday, and will aim for 5000 calories next week.
I'll keep posting about gains in weight and gains in strength.

Possible defiencies

when putting in such a diet in fitday, I noticed a few deficiencies.

• Vitamin K : Officially, there is no source of this vitamin in the animal kingdom. I suspect it might be present in animal fat and that the USDA nutrient database is incomplete. Anyway, if animals do not accumulate it, how important is it? It is well known to be produced by the intestinal bacterias (I will talk about these bacterias later).

• Vitamin C : It is very low, although by eating just a few organs, it can raises to the « official » numbers to prevent scurvy (about 10 mg according to some). The main idea is that higher amounts of vitamin C and other antioxidants are not necessary when following a carnivore diet and that the small amounts are enough to do their job in collagen formations (and other things I don’t remember). Stefansson has also proved that raw meat could cure scurvy, although officially, raw muscle meat has 0 vitamin C. Organs have usually some vitamin C, although it is particularly high in the adrenals glands, which is not the kind of stuff you can eat unless you hunt yourself (which I intend to do one day). Primitive cultures often first went to the adrenals after killing an animal. Eating the tongue of caribou was also something often seen, as it is a very caloric dense food.

My main source will be chicken hearts and beef liver. I intend to eat a bit of beef tongue too, although that nutritious and extremely cheap (I get it for 1$ per kilo) food is quite the opposite of tender.

• Thamin : It is at over 90%, so it’s not bad really. From what I read, thiamin is mainly linked to carbohydrate metabolism, so…

• Calcium and magnesium : this « deficiency » is the only one I care about. The good thing though is that the levels of calcium and magnesium on a carnivore diet are very similar, and this is ideal for their absorption and use. Too much calcium (such as milk) creates magnesium deficiency. There is also the fact that these minerals in meat might be much easier to absorb. I’ve seen numbers such as 25% for milk and over 40% for almonds, I can’t find number for meat.

I intend to drink bone broths, made from marrow bones. These broth are high in gelatin which enhance protein digestion and high in very easy to absorb minerals.

The main thing I don't like is the phosphorus to calcium ratio, although the body, given the right nutrients, might be perfectly balanced despite such a high ratio.

From the fitday tables, most of my nutrients are in the multiple hundred percents range.

I also intend to eat bone marrow, which is cheap and very nutritious, but I can’t get much info about its nutrition.

Most of what I eat is organic. Nutrients are probably a bit higher. The beef I eat was fattened on a diet of about 40% grains, I would have preferred totally grass-fed. Ruminants have a rumen adapted to diets higher in protein than what grains provide, such as a diet of grass. On a complete diet of grains, the pH in the rumen change, usually requiring antibiotics because of the bad bacterias that arise at the lower pH (such as E.Coli).

Typical questions and random facts

“But your muscles will be soft as they will be depleted in glycogen”! This is true, the muscles will contain much less glycogen and will be softer. But I will have more muscles, more testosterone, more everything-that-is-good, and mainly, less insulin.

“But your muscles run on carbs”! I don’t have the evidence for it, but it seems that muscles run very well on fats bound to carnitine.

“But you won’t get all the great antioxidants from fruits and veggies”! Meat is very high in some important antioxidants that seem to reverse aging, such as carnitine and carnosine, in amounts comparable to what you get with a normal dose of capsules of these, plus meat has a very small amount of alpha-lipoic acid. Meat is also high in zinc and selenium, and proteins of course, which are required by our immune system. It has all the good stuff to make our best natural antioxidant, glutathione. Eggs are particularly high in NAC, a glutathione precursor.

Insulin and all the carb-eating might be at the root of the high oxidative stress.

“Study of the stable isotopes of carbon and nitrogen in fossil bone indicates the source of Neanderthal dietary protein, and fossils from western Europe to Uzbekistan reveal a similar pattern - in quantity of meat consumption, Neanderthals compare with hyaenas. For a Neanderthal it was meat for breakfast, lunch and tea - mind you, modern human diet of the period was hardly any different .»

Plants are full of toxins! : http://wisewitch.blogspot.com/

On a carnivore diet, after a while, you never feel the hunger pangs.

Children inherit their taste for meat and fish but when it comes to vegetables and desserts it's more nurture than nature, according to a study on Wednesday.
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Study_shows_taste_for_meat_and_fish_inherited

I don’t eat pork. First because I never liked it, second because I’m not sure it’s really healthy. It seems to have too many parasites, it’s scary. They’re too much like us maybe. I will allow rendered leaf fat. Once rendered, it's not much more than just fat.

Great website about that kind of eating: http://www.second-opinions.co.uk . There is even one page about the diet for athletes: http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/athletic_diet.html

Why eating only meat?

I’ve already read a lot about low-carbs diet, and only recently did I read about diets of NO-carbs. In fact, the only carbs come from animals organs and from eggs.

The inuits (of past times), many primitive tribes, and more recently, the arctic explorer Stefansson and even more recently, the interesting character Owsley « The Bear » Stanley have proven that a diet composed 100% of meat is not only suitable for humans, but it is a very healthy diet. The only important point is that most of this meat should be raw. The Bear is truly the one who sparked my recent interest toward the all-meat diet.

One thing is sure, I won’t pee all my bones away from eating all this meat as a vegetarian would probably suggest. It seems the opposite is true though, eating meat strengthen the bones. I need to find some evidence.

I make a lot of pemmican, which is dried meat grounded in the blender and mixed with melted suet fat or pork leaf fat. It makes a great snack, and it can be preserved for a very long time at room temperature. I dry it at about 104 fahrenheit, which might cause damage to some possible traces of vitamin C, but it doesn’t do a thing to the proteins and precious nutrients (carnitine, carnosine, creatine (the 3 Cs!) and taurine)

Eggs, I only eat the yolks raw and throw away the whites. The whites are poor in nutrition and too high in protein.

One problem with many low-carbs diet is that they are low-fat and high protein. This cause the horrendous mouth smell and bad body odor. Diet should be around 80% of calories from fat, 20% from protein.

At first, urine is high in ketones, because the body can’t efficiently use all the fat-derived-ketones. According to some, especially the “Bear” Stanley who has been eating only meat for about 49 years, it is only after 2 to 6 weeks that you become efficient at burning fat and notice a highly increased energy, and much more endurance than carb-eaters. Too many carbs will prevent this (10g might be too much, I don’t have specific numbers and the Bear doesn’t recommend more than 5). I don’t intend to eat any dairy products except possibly some ghee.

About the intestinal bacterias: we, humans, are adapted to eat vegetables. We have a very small caecum, which is a pouch that allows bacterias to survive whenever you don’t eat. Herbivores have a huge one, carnivores have none. Ours is very small. The idea is that it is only there in case of emergency, whenever one eat carbs and mainly fibers. The total count of bacterias in the colon of a meat-eater is probably very small, and the wastes of such a digestion are minimal.

Do you see animal using toilet papers? Ideal digestion does not require the use of toilet paper. Eating diets high in grains make you need a lot of toilet paper.

Saturated fats are bad? No, they are not.

Our own reserve of fat is made of “animal fat”, which is high in saturated AND monounsaturated fats. Does that mean that someone fasting is clogging his arteries because he’s running on animal fat? We’re in fact pretty efficient at burning this fat.

Bulking on Suet: First Post

My name: Max Thunder
Age: 20 years old
Weight: 165-170 pounds

Being on a low-carb diet, I could easily gain more than 5 pounds just by eating carbs, because of the muscles and liver loading in glycogen, and that glycogen which attract large amounts of water.

My goals:

First group:

• Show that a cheap and all animal product diet is the healthiest
• Such a diet can be very cheap if one has access to the right animal cuts

Second group:

• Bring my body to a state of health it never has been (body and mind)
  
• Become the greatest

Last group:

• Gain about 30 pounds while maximizing muscular gain
  
• Gain a maximum of strength

Precise weightlifting goals:

Deadlift 500 pounds for at least 3 reps.
One-arm DB snatches with the 120 pounds dumbell for at least 3 reps.
Power press with 225 pounds for at least 2 reps
DB Bench with the 120's for at least 2 reps.
Parallel-grip chin-ups: at least 20

Deadline: December 31, 2006